Flats Mexico's first

[Hannibal]

Let us try it
Brian, paied by Paypal
Michel

[Grey Wolf]

Personal, i think it's not that bad for a first flat.
i have followed the creation of it on FB, it's a flat created as a positive and afterwards been molded.
using this Technic my self i now how difficult it is to create small detail an structure to the figure.
The lack of sculpture on the inside is a personal opinion, some need guidelines for other its not that imported.


one the other side is the price not in reference with that what customers suspecting from a flat of such qualities     

[Joerg]

What I can see, a key problem is the lack of sculpture:
neither the dogs, nor the Diogenes or the flags have a kind of "inner profile".
I would recommend a look at the work of Rafa or Ken Farrar to see how faces and body have folds and so on.
I know, it is highly heratic, but - painting flats is a kind of high standard colouring book - the figure itself gives us the tip, where to place what colour,
shadow, highlight, structure.
Often enough very good painters ignore these hints, but the very good painters could paint a plain surface too.
For all the others,  "structure" in the figure is substantial for acceptance. Just the outlining is not enough.
(And even the "structure" does not guarantee, that the figure is loved by collectrors.

[Hannibal]

I'm curious to see it with my eyes ... and subject interests me: Greece is the birthplace of my culture and the platonician philosophy.

But I agree fully with Gerhart, subject could more be on Mexican History, targeting Mexico, Spain, Portugal markets, (perhaps not a good period for United States today with the Wall?), but mexican markt is perhps weak with flats, like Turkey is too (Sherhan Oflas) whch is perhaps the issue...

I remember some nice flats created by Quadriconcept in 75mm several years ago - the seven flats of Central America civilization, AC1 to AC7) !!
Mexican and Sout American civilizations were great periods they should be proud of, even it totally spoiled by Europeans and christians, but it was the destiny of Egypt, North America, Africa too and some subjects like Egypt became quiet successful as subjects, although much older.......

[Brian]

Thanks, it's the points I've already made to them "Price" and "Subject"
Detail their happy with and say it's good, it's the photo that's poor?
anyway a figure is being sent for us to have a look at     

[gerhard]

It is interesting that the first Mexican "flat" presents no mexican Topic. It would be more interesting if they cover Mexican History or folk live.Well, it is not really a flat, but it is maybe not selling well, because of the price AND the topic.
Mexico is a big country, with a rich history. So I think, next time it could be far more interesting to make a original mexican figure (or series).Diogenes was made before.
I agree with Andreas Trost about the quality. But its a first effort. So it is quite well.

[Brian]

Thanks Pat, but no one else have an opinion? 

[PJDeluhery]

I agree with Andreas. That said, it's a good first effort, and I hope we can encourage further work.


They might want to look at this site for ideas on techniques. We have some very talented people here turning out some pretty amazing flats on a one-off or limited production basis.


I wish our Mexican brethren success in their new venture. 

[Brian]

Okay the guys in Mexico have asked for advice, the figure is not selling well and I have my ideas ( price!! )  but what do you think?   

[Hannibal]

Yes indeed, expensive as flat, probably flats are also in Europe too cheap against round figures too !!!
Remember that the cost of engraving is high and must be spread over a rathr smll amount of flat pièces ..  I presume that in Mexico, Diogenes is not one of their favorite heroes !!!!

I also noticed that engraving has some gaps, but like miniatures and some flats in epoy resin here freedom is given to the painter, instead of helping the painter to remove and degree of freedom, as our children had too when colouring their figures books  !!!!

Some vintage painters and judges here in Europe do not accept superfcial engravings of some époxy flats, perhaps because their have too much difficulties to find ther way to paint them; actually more power is actually given to them to initiative, interpretaton and drawing capability !! and should deserve a better rating therefor like those using freehand motives !!

(and best argument also is for these conservative painters, if engraving is not good, the first thing they do is to erase it and paint themselves the détails (such as heraldic, flowers, détails, old age on faces, ....)... or not paint such flat at all.  In ronde-bosse, it is also called 'conversion, transformation' ....

[Brian]

Sorry but have to agree, the plaque (it's not a flat) is for reference, a lot of the detail will have to be added with the brush.
Price also is high! it's their first figure so maybe some advice is needed
post your thoughts and I'll pass it on.   

[Trostzinn]

Hello friends,
sorry but the figure is too expensive for this size and also for the quality with 40 US dollars!
There are a lot of details missing and the relief is not very nice.
Would have been a nice character anyway, I do not understand why on a whole plate ??
Great idea but actually could have done better!

Sorry is my opinion

Andreas

[Brian]

No!! No!!   Michel you pay me with paypal  at 37.00 pounds and I do the rest, pay the guys out in Mexico and get the figure to you by post from me, easy!!! 

[Hannibal]

Let me known Brian, as you are using another strange money than here ... (it will cost me a lot with three currencies conversions in this transaction!)

[Brian]

So just Michel and myself, to make it easier payment was to be made to me and I pay Flats Mexico as one lump, Will give it another few days before ordering to give you a chance of being added to the list