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Grimm

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Re: Competition!!!
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2014, 10:05:04 AM »
The aim to paint figures for me is not to compete. I have painted over 300 figures this year, and 98% of them would not have any chance at a competition. Sure it might be fun to try to attend the competitions as well. A figure that wins a prize in one competition can be without any price in the next one. One must not take it too seriously. There are so many different ways to paint a figure, and none is right or wrong. We paint figures because we like them. Competitions have an important function that is to see other figures and be inspired by other painters. Without them it would not probably be so many shows. I participated in a competition in Malmö, Sweden last weekend. There were only two flat figures in the competition. Unfortunately, you can´t compete with flats against round figures. At the same time we had a Figure-SIG. More than 100 figures were displayed out of the competition. At Euro Military BFFS has a table and shows figures out of the competition. Without competition it is not so great opportunity to show what we are doing. The link to the contest and Figure-SIG in Malmö:
http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/Thordrup/library/C4%20Open%20Malmoe%20-%20Sweden%202014?sort=9&page=1

frankhenson

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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2014, 09:19:09 AM »
Hi
This is an interesting topic
In my opinion competitions serve a number of purposes
one they allow people that feel they need to measure their progress as a painter
against some of the best exponents of our hobby

Two they raise the profile of the hobby even casual visitors to a show will have more of an opinion on the work
they see on a competition table than on a club display

Three competition can be used as a motivation to get the log jam of figures finished and off
the work bench

Though a few things should be borne in mind
On entering its here goes nothing ...  put your figures down and walk away
if you get a gong so be it .... if not well its only two or three peoples opinion
and will you be back at the bench painting .....of course you will

Just some thoughts and yes I feel competitions cant possibly do the interest in flats any harm whatsoever

Frank   

kevind

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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2014, 07:42:11 AM »
The Society has seemingly prospered and grown without having a competition...if it ain't broke...don't fix it :)

Salter

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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2014, 02:16:33 PM »
Glen
In the UK I have never seen a model on a comp table labelled Display only.Here in most regional competitions various clubs display their members works.Again not labelled that they represent the works of say Fred Smith.
In fact over here even our now only Military modelling mag dosent show many show displays.Unlike the French magazine Figurines which gives excellent model coverage.
Nothing to do with modelling but I am off to Wembley next week to watch the Cowboys got to give painting a brake.
Dave

Glen

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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2014, 12:08:31 PM »
Like them or not, comps are a way of modeling life; they're not going away. Because they are a human endeavor, there will always an element of politicking, disappointment, and ill-feeling. People are people... Here in the US, the size of the comp and the vendor's area is the standard by which everything is measured. The two tend to feed off of each other and attract more attendees. The vast majority of the models are in the comp. Club displays are rare, even at the IPMS Nationals. Many shows have a display only table and they tend to be thinly used. Some will put their models on the comp tables with signs reading 'Display Only'. I'm assuming you all have that option in the UK and Europe.


That said, comps have a singular advantage in that there is a room full of outstanding painters and judges (who are, theoretically, outstanding in their own right) and thus a readily available source for learning how to paint, how to improve your painting, etc. Read all the forums you want, read all the magazine articles and books you want, watch all the videos you want, but nothing beats a hands on, one-on-one with a master at the craft. Don't treat the comp as a judging moment; treat it as a teaching moment with the comp as one big school. You don't need to join the band, just listen to and learn the music.


Nick rightly pointed out that being able to compare your own efforts with those of others is a valid point. A side-by-side comparison is a silent teaching moment in its own right, especially if it's the same piece. Observe, take some notes; then find the owner and grill 'em. And when someone asks you how they can improve their skills, be prepared to spill your guts - or at least introduce them to someone who can help them.


Glen

Joerg

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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2014, 08:34:08 AM »
Well, friends, after some arguments, that really frightened me (competition for improving etc.)
there are voices, that fit my point of view:

To become better (if any possible) I need no competition, but comparison and advides from the friends, that paint better.

I would NEVER take the examples into a competition, because nobody would notice them. The painting is too bad, but it stands for my limits
and I had fun doing so.

I want to show them and got a feedback (however this will be.)

So - my latest painting results

- a group of Prussian / Russian Staff Officers for 1807 winter campaign
- the jester from Retter (now Dangelmaier), belonging to "Snowwhites wedding"

 

Liquorice, sire, is not the least important of our benefits out of the dark heart of Arabia.

G.K.Chesterton

Brian

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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2014, 08:11:46 AM »
Nick would be band!!!

Roger

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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2014, 08:07:21 AM »
A well put argument against, I'm happy to go along with that, after all we are aiming to encourage not put people off, besides Nick would walk away with all the prizes.  ;D
Roger Newsome.
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Bedale, North Yorkshire.

Nicholas Ball

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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2014, 07:30:48 AM »
 
I agree with Ed

Its not so much the competition that helps improve your painting Roger, but the ability to be able to compare your work with the best.
If at shows there was a great big table where everyone could put there work and there were also 2 or 3 judge type people on call
 that you could ask, " how do mine compare with these other's and where can I improve, then No, competitions  would not be required.

It is purely the comparison and Knowledge that is useful. ;)   



Ed Humphreys

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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2014, 07:20:15 AM »
I would be happier to keep the Society clear of competitions. Eventually, they always lead to arguments and ill-feeling. There are enough other shows for those who want to compete. We should be above that. An opportunity to show our new work should be incentive and encouragement enough. Less able painters would not take part in a competition, but be happy to show their latest work where they will be encouraged, advised, and not judged.
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Roger

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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2014, 06:23:45 AM »
So competition is needed to improve your painting? it's the only way to meet people with similar interest and swop ideas and keep up to date on what is available! so do you want the BFFS to hold a competition? even if it's just a forum one to start?

We already have projects but do you want more?     

So competition is needed to improve your painting? No I don't think so.

 it's the only way to meet people with similar interest and swop ideas and keep up to date on what is available! That's what I use the internet for but if I was in a position where I could attend more shows I would.

 so do you want the BFFS to hold a competition? even if it's just a forum one to start?
Yes I would join in but just to participate for the enjoyment not to be a serious competitor.



Roger Newsome.
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Bedale, North Yorkshire.

Brian

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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2014, 05:41:53 AM »
So competition is needed to improve your painting? it's the only way to meet people with similar interest and swop ideas and keep up to date on what is available! so do you want the BFFS to hold a competition? even if it's just a forum one to start?

We already have projects but do you want more?     

böckchen

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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2014, 02:07:07 PM »
Now I see it this way!
If there were no prices for the Wetbewerben, as well as the "Turism" price hunters would stay away. The best examples are the International shows, where high price totals are explored. These gentlemen appear to be living like this ..
In recent years, has signed up, the figures were booked in a category under their Qalität were wide so they can get gold.
Ergerlich for the person you who regularly classified and still no schongs received.
But this does not appear so often at the flat figures, ehr figure verträtern at the rounds in Kulmbach.
Times hand on heart, you are only a beginner once, right?
Oh yes, inspiation is such a show sure. Especially since today many collectors are looking for a source for painting instructions.
And yes, it makes a certain proud when praised for his diligence.

Please tuhen themselves like in the Kulmbach, if "Yes", then they wrote in a front-ends out of the categories.
They dare to challenge under the Flat Figures Collecting, and and they go a step further up.

And to come back to the question, Yes! it is important.
It is also about our next best our collectors' community, no matter what Verinigung one belongs and which country and language effectively ...........
  in this sense  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
best regards
Wolfgang


Salter

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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2014, 01:45:34 PM »
This is an interestng discussion subject.personally I couldnt care less about competition.However the UK figure circuit is totally based on competition.Every club apart from Faversham insists on competition.Every show has a flat class that is normally well attended.Plus Euro-Militaire which also is well attended.
This illustrates the flat figure problem where can you show or talk to other flat figure collectors.The BFFS offers only one outlet per year the Yearly meeting at Knole.Fine if you can attend from what I am told not very well supported considering over 100 members belong to the BFFS.As I have been told the BFFS Journal is issued 4times a year which is supposed to satisfy the flat enthusist.
It is far better in Europe where numerous shows exist plus various clubs exist to allow discussion etc.
So back to the point about competition in the UK competions are the driving force as it attracts the interested parties.This  is why the BFFS show at these shows they know you get a mix of some of the flat painters who also regulary enter the  comps.
I cant say for the rest of the UK but here in the SE nothing is on the table from the BFFS in the sense of meetings.If a meeting point was availiable maybe competions wouldnt be discussed so much as the mutual interest would be served.
My apologies for going on but I do not wish to be labelled incorrectly.
Dave

Glen

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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2014, 12:15:11 PM »
I agree with Nick. Feedback from judges - and not just flat judges - is probably the easiest way to improve your painting: why did my figure not get a medal? Why did my figure get a a bronze and not a silver? A silver and not gold? Listen carefully to the responses. Were there issues with the pre-painting cleanup? The mechanics of paint application (globs of paint, heavy brush strokes, thin patches, glossy spots that should be matte, etc.)? Wandering light source (I see this on a regular basis)? Shading and highlighting (especially as a result of the wandering light source)? Be wary of issues with color schemes. Most historical figures - especially military - have definitive color schemes that were limited to the paint pigment and dyeing technologies of their era. Then too, some of these were very expensive and there were often laws that prohibited certain classes from wearing certain colors. With fantasy pieces, however, the sky's the limit on what colors to use.


Of course, once you get this feedback, you actually have to apply it...



Off the top of my head.  ;)


Glen