Andalousian girl

[AKB61]

This is what I have been working on http://s1319.photobucket.com/user/akb61/story/67299


Lady with veil (Portrait of Marie Suzanne)

[errant49]

It will be nice if you post a picture
Eric

[AKB61]

Working on this flat now

[errant49]

Glen, you are right about the right side of the coat under the head and neck; it should be completely dark and no fold should be visible
Willie that's true, andalousian girls are mostly dark haired; but in the original canvas, she is not
About horses I know that well having been a rider for years; andalousian horses have been and still are seeked for because of their high skill for equestrian high school
In France in the XVII-XVIII centuries they were called "Genêt d'Espagne"
I join two pictures of the original canvas and of the figure painted by the maker
Eric

[willie]

Eric. Nice job. I was station in Southern Spain and my first daughter was born there in Rota. First of all most of the people there will tell you that there great  great   great  ansesters drove out the Moors. Columbus set sail for the new world from Cadiz. I would make the sink a bet darker and black hair would be nice. Also all the gin and the horses for the Spanish Ridding School come from there. Willie

[Glen]

Very nice Eric. It has an oil on canvas look to it (like an old painting from way back yonder when...).
One observation: the light appears to be coming from upper left front (based on the highs on the glove and nostril). If that's the case, I would think that the overall left side of cloak (as viewed) would be noticeably lighter than the right side. The right side adjacent to the head/neck, under the arm, and the right edge would be the darkest. Then the folds individually shaded and highlighted according to their position. Correspondingly, the highlights on the left side of the head (at the bend from top to side) and the shoulder and fan bends would be even lighter. Am I reading this right? I know it's black and black tends to absorb color, but I have issues with this (regardless of color) and I have to keep reminder notes on my desk... Middle-age y'know...
Oh, and how big is big scale?
Cheers,
Glen

[Roger]

Thanks Eric, I'm still finding my way with oils and my inexperience and impatience has sometimes led my wet on wet painting to a muddy mess. 

[errant49]

I usually paint wet on wet, except for some additional shadows, especially cast shadows
This is possible because I paint with oil which is slow drying
Eric

[Roger]

Very nice Eric and thanks for your colour mixes, they'll be added to the painting notes doc.
Do you paint wet on wet or wait for each coat to dry?

[errant49]

A big scale "bas-relief" of which I do not remember the maker
It is nicely engraved and the face is pretty
The two difficulties are to paint the face very softly to render the girl's youth , and the black coat to give it some relief
The colors I used were
Face : base :  white, naples yellow, skin ochre, yellow ochre
          lights : white, naples yellow
          shadows : skin ochre, burnt sienna, burnt umber
          cheeks were enhanced with cadmium red
Coat : base : van dick brown , ultramarine blue
           lights : yellow ochre, naples yellow, white
           shadows : vandick brown, ivory black
Eric